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Comment by Anton Lynge Nielsen on December 29, 2012 at 7:12am

Hello compassionate ladies and gentlemen. I have a tricky subject here that has been plagueing my mind for quite some time now; good ol' dust mites.

So, the obvious question is obviously where the line goes. To be honest, there cannot be much consciousness in the head of a dust mite, but does that give them less reason to live? Is every time we wash our bed linen a premeditated genocide? What do you think? I would be very pleased to hear any replies.

Comment by danni on October 18, 2010 at 2:53am

oh i know, i wasnt getting at anyone or anything, was just saying my stance on the subject. i know we cant go through life and not kill/hurt anything, but i like to minimise what i do. its simply personal opinion and conscience.
i dont class vegan as being kind to everything, i tend to just see it in the dietary sense. everything else that tends to go along with it is just personal choices and opinions i think.

Comment by Chris Phillips on October 17, 2010 at 10:07pm

Hi Danni, Up to a point I agree with you. Obviously if a bug or insect is actually attacking me or hurting me I would stop it doing so. We do have the right of defense I believe. But I would not deliberately set out to kill small creatures, unless there a a real reason. I even saved a wasp from drowning, and the photographed it close up, and was amazed by its beauty. Wasps are in fact a GREAT help to humans, as they drastically help keep down the number of flies! I do wash of any small living creature of lettuce etc, and if possible will put them back in garden. We do collect snails & slugs at night and take them to an open grassland, alive to live away from human foods!
All life has a purpose, and we should respect it, that doesn't mean that we will not kill some life, especially if it attacks us or makes us ill.

Comment by Thomas Lucien Burns on October 17, 2010 at 5:13pm

In response to danni's post, there are no laws that matter other than being honest with yourself. There is no question of allowances either way: we are human and just as good and bad in roughly equal measure. It's not a question of rights either; things just are, and your responses to them are entirely your own. We are not perfect and we live in a pretty ugly world. Veganism is terrific, but I wouldn't get too legalistic about it. If I get a tapeworm I will get rid of it and if a bulldog attacked me I would do my very best to fight it off. A dead vegan isn't much help to the vegan cause or the spread of its values. People are walking contradictions, despite their basic convictions. And you can't empathise with a bug, so try not to worry about it too much

Comment by danni on October 17, 2010 at 2:32pm

hey!
i cant/wont kill anything and dont particularly think we are 'allowed' to kill things. i even refuse to wash bugs off lettuce and stuff; i have to put the leaf outside so the bug can be free!
for me, i dont feel that we have the right to decide whether anything gets to live or die, i guess thats why im vegan, but it applies to everything else too.
i also empathise too much. if i was to squash a bug or something, id think into way too much detail about what would happen to it and how itd feel to be the bug.

when would you need to kill bugs in 'self defense'?

Comment by Thomas Lucien Burns on September 29, 2010 at 11:12am

Hi; just joined this group, so hello everyone. I agree with a number of these posts - in my view, it's simply a matter of intent. Stepping on ants, unwittingly killing any amount of fauna whilst mowing the lawn and so on, is a simple and unavoidable truth that accidents will happen, though the consequences can be very far reaching and sometimes fatal. A brick falling from a derelict building hitting you, is completely different from someone aiming the brick and throwing it in order to cause some damage. All vegans will unknowingly kill things; just try not to do it on purpose.

Comment by Raven Victoria Heart on September 25, 2010 at 1:05pm

I only kill flee's.. It's my dog's life.. She doesn't need to be attacked every day and swore from flee's..

Comment by ☮JW☮ on August 26, 2010 at 12:25pm

Oh and I also agree w/ Tiffany Cyr!

Comment by ☮JW☮ on August 26, 2010 at 12:24pm

I ask myself this question a lot, because I do not mind bugs at all, especially spiders, in fact I find them a little cute and very interesting, it's just that I have this huge fear of Centipedes, they drive me nuts and are so weird looking with all of those legs and that long bendy body... I found one in my bathroom and started freaking out so I told somebody so I wouldn't have to harm it, and I think it died :( I know... Not the nicest thing, but I really don't like centipededs it seems like those are the only bugs that I am willing to "not save" other than that I usually just put a bug on a piece of paper or in a jar and take it outside. I am working very hard on getting over my centipede fear...Being a vegan can change that too!

Comment by Jonas Hellö Ⓗ on August 25, 2010 at 3:13pm

Indeed, except you don't know how the masks are made, unless you're making them yourself, and then you'd probably see how unavoidable it is to disturb or even kill beings around you. This, of course, also boils down to questions of closed vs. open systems, entropy and our own disordered bodies. Is it ethical to hurt oneself, for instance?

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